Moral without God? 1/12 Nugent v Murray debate (John Murray opening speech)
Michael Nugent, chair of Atheist Ireland, debates John Murray, director of the Iona Institute for Religion and Society, on the motion: That one cannot be truly moral without God.
The debate took place on 30 March 2010 in Maynooth University, and was organized by the Maynooth Christian Union and the Maynooth Literary and Debating Society.
Opening speeches
1/12 – John Murray opening speech
2/12 – Michael Nugent opening speech
3/12 – Student speeches for motion
4/12 – Student speeches against motion
Questions and answers
5/12 – Relative morality in the Bible
6/12 – Can we live without God?
7/12 – Interpreting morality in the Bible
8/12 – Human rights and true morality
9/12 – Can we be moral with God?
10/12 – Science, morality and animals
Closing speeches
11/12 – John Murray summary
12/12 – Michael Nugent summary
Duration : 0:9:58
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@kausidya ” …
@kausidya “Everything we do is still subject to cause and effect..”
If you define free will as something that needs to be independent of cause and effect then I guess you’re right.
I don’t think we understand causality as it relates to human consciousness or experience anywhere near enough to claim there isn’t some form of free will.
Saying it’s a meaningless fantasy is going too far. It’s not like determinism has been shown to true or even very likely by science or philosophers.
@PostITnoteGUY …
@PostITnoteGUY Everything we do is still subject to cause and effect.. Our brains do what they do because of this. Free will is a meaningless fantasy.
This guy makes the …
This guy makes the assertion that you can not adequately account for morality without a god but god is a non-explanation.
I could say morality (objective or otherwise) is an inherent property of the universe and that that accounts for morality better than the unnecessary god assumption.
But I’d be talking out my because I just made that up; much like the theist makes up god explanation.
I can’t think of one thing within the moral realm that can’t be explained without a god.
@kausidya “There is …
@kausidya “There is no free will.”
How can you be so sure? What is your definition of freewill?
How does god make …
How does god make morality objective? Regardless it would still just be His/Her subjective point of view, if you prescribe to that point of view. I disagree that there is no objective standard. Within the objective universe their exist beings that perceive that they suffer. The perception of suffering is the objective platform for objective morality to stand on. There is no free will. The concept of free will is flawed from it’s conception.