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William F Buckley Jr Panama Closing Speech

William F Buckley Jr Panama closing speech in his debate with Governor Ronald Reagan 1978

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25 Responses to “William F Buckley Jr Panama Closing Speech”

  1. @WhenLilacsLast
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    @WhenLilacsLast
    Reagan didnt defeat the Soviets, eh? More revisionist history from the libs. Go back to school and learn something. Come to think of it, forget that idea, because thats where you learned what you think are facts. Religion? Who said anything about religion? Typical lib response-incorrect facts and then bringing up racism/religion. I find it interesting that libs always are the 1st to do that. Now, go enjoy your “summer of recovery.” You live in such a dreamland.Fishlick

  2. WhenLilacsLast on July 8th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    @snobblett You seem …
    @snobblett You seem to have made a hobby of uttering the word idiot and evading the issues , my boy. The forgetful B-movie hollywood actor did no such thing, the S.U. was plagued by internal strife, but an educated conservative statesman like yourself knows that history, right billy? ;) So we’re religious bigots in addition to racial bigots, yes junior? tch tch, I’m going to have to unplug grandma and redistribute wealth to Southside Chicago Welfare Queens

  3. @WhenLilacsLast
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    @WhenLilacsLast
    Your still an idiot. Go grow some flowers somewhere noodle-spine. Kool-aid a racist term? This is why its a waste of time talking to libs. You never get the facts right-you probably know this, but I will say it anyway “never argue with an idiot-they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” Reagan defeats the Soviet Union-last time I checked you no longer have to deal with that nuclear threat-now we worry about your buddies-the muslims doing it.Eat it

  4. WhenLilacsLast on July 8th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    @snobblett I’m …
    @snobblett I’m always fetched by anyone who begins with “your[sic] an idiot” , what a convincing start,hardly can get wrong from there. And the racist innuendos about the kool-aid, very chic, you’ve got some class,son.Obama really was a shmuck for exploding the deficit during the 80s?wait that was the forgetful hollywood actor,or did he eat up the Clinton-created surplus from 00-08?wait that was our cowboy from texas.Who was in charge when Lehman brothers and others fell apart?obama?hmm:)

  5. @WhenLilacsLast
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    @WhenLilacsLast
    Your an idiot. Just keep drinking the lib kool-aid. Your buddy Obama has no experience in running any corporation, business, etc. Now look at the mess we are in. The great community organizer is at it again:
    so far the score is Great Obama Depression 2.2 million lost jobs
    Biden: “there’s no possibility to restore 8 million jobs lost in the Great Recession.” Now, go get collect your unemployment check. While your at it, be sure to support the newest rapist-Gore

  6. WhenLilacsLast on July 8th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    @snobblett Yes, …
    @snobblett Yes, Obama doesn’t even come close…he leaves Buckley far behind. Buckley was the privileged son of an oil industrialist and what he did was employ his patrician accent and obese vocabulary to try to shroud his primitive bigoted neuroses.Apparently you have been won over by his pseudo-royal drawl and eloquent hand gestures, but I suppose the electorate was less kind to Wily F. Buckley when they unequivocally voted against him in his hapless run for mayor of New York.

  7. @bapyou
    It’s …
    @bapyou
    It’s obvious you think all Latinos look alike or you wouldn’t keep bringing up Nicaragua and confusing the right wing death squads with moderates. At the very least, you see the entire world as black and white.

    And chalk up three more random fucks. My nephew shows more poise in his writing then you do.

  8. @kissfan7 “Do all …
    @kissfan7 “Do all brown people look alike to you?”
    Dude, seriously: you. End of conversation.
    If anyone is full of themselves it’s you. off and suck a dick. Bye.

  9. Oh wow, you saw …
    Oh wow, you saw poor people!

    Comparing your field trips to mass murder is inane. When you heard about May 4th did you feel pain for the loved ones, or did you think “Yes! A rhetorical weapon gainst any who disagree with me”? When you read about Prauge Spring, did measure how much you could compare this to other tragedies? When you read about mass murder, do you quickly jot them down in a notebook, reminding yourself to use this whenever someone calls you on your bullshit?

    Is this a game?

  10. @bapyou
    The Truth …
    @bapyou
    The Truth Commission is “not a single reference”?

    One of the El Salvador death squads threatened Durante because he negotiated with the rebels. He supported his own attempted assasins?

    There you go talking about the Contras again. Do all brown people look alike to you?

    Why are you talking about White? I was specifically refering to Pinckering. White’s firing has zero to do with the anti-US sentiments of the death squads. You’re obfuscating, you coward.

  11. @kissfan7 “You have …
    @kissfan7 “You have never seen real suffering in your privliged life” Excuse me. Who the are you to say what I have or haven’t seen? I’ve traveled in the third world and seen the poorest of the poor. And if living on the brink of financial ruin is a “privilege,” your definition for the word privilege is about as accurate in its fullness as your definition of the word “support.”
    “You don’t give two about WF Buckley has to say.” Definitely true. He supported all manner of despots.

  12. @kissfan7 “You’re …
    @kissfan7 “You’re talking about people’s lives here.” And about what have you speaking? The semantics of the word “support.” The Reagan government was giving aid to the Contras & the governments of El Salvador & Guatemala in the 1980s. Everyone in the world knew these right-wing governments were operating paramilitary squads committing atrocities against their own populations, populations in revolt against deplorable conditions, conditions created, for the most part, by the United States.

  13. “the US opposed the …
    “the US opposed the death squads.” Ridiculous. Reagan called them “freedom fighters.” There was no oppositon coming from the White House. That’s for damned sure.
    “Listing the titles of books is not proof.” And you? You’ve provided me with not a single reference. William Blum’s books are exhaustively referenced, frequently with US government documents & mainstream newspapers. I get why people want to discredit Blum because of the bin Laden connection, but the charge has no validity.

  14. @kissfan7 ” …
    @kissfan7 “Pickering was threated, not White.” And White was relieved of his post.
    “I specifically questioned (Wwhether the US gov) directly funded the death squads” Semantics. Everyone knew what the deal was; it was no secret. Ask Robert White. Ask Americas Watch. Ask the Catholic Church. Ask Joan Didion.

  15. You need a heavy …
    You need a heavy dose of Socratic wisdom. Stop insulting, swearing like a twelve year old, braging about irrelevant academic accomplishments, and telling me how many books you have.

    This isn’t a game. You’re talking about people’s lives here. You have never seen real suffering in your privliged life, so you see dead bodies in Central America, Eastern Europe, and Ohio as a way to bulster your intellectual insecurity. You don’t give two about what I, Buckley, or anyone else has to say.

  16. @bapyou
    I knew of …
    @bapyou
    I knew of bin Laden’s praise before.

    What needs to be explained? Pickering was threated, not White. I mention him and the Christian Democrats because he is an American official and they are the party the US backed.

    I never claimed the US didn’t fund those governments. I specifically questioned your statement that they directly funded the death squads. All the evidence shows any unbiased person that the US opposed the death squads.

    Listing the titles of books is not proof.

  17. @kissfan7 “Since ” …
    @kissfan7 “Since “Killing Hope” has been praised by bin Laden” means what? Bin Laden reccommended Blum’s book. This is Blum’s fault? What’d you look that up on Google? I’ve given you one of my sources, you’ve given me nothing. What are your sources, Wikipedia?
    In addition to Blum’s book. I have dozens of others on Central America during this period..
    “Thomas Pickering” … “Christian Democrats” Why don’t you explain these. In what way do these disprove the US was funding Guat. & El Salv?

  18. @bapyou
    Since ” …
    @bapyou
    Since “Killing Hope” has been praised by bin Laden, I’m going to need primary sources.

    It was Thomas Pickering, not White. Why did the death squads target Christian Democrats?

    If you know the difference, why mention Iran-Contra?

    You’re treating this like an imature competition rather than an adult discussion. I don’t care about your resume, name-calling is unnecessary, and the random swearing is just silly. I’ve met Holocaust deniers who have political sciene Ph. D.’s.

  19. @kissfan7 “death …
    @kissfan7 “death squads target a US diplomat” Are you talking about Robert White? If so, White was referred to by Reagan administration henchman as a “leftist sympathizer.” He was replaced not long after Reagan took office. He was outspoken and adamant about death squad activity. That’s reason enough for him to be a target. If this is not the diplomat, who is it you’re talking about?

    Give me your sources. One main source is William Blum’s ‘Killing Hope’ and many references therein.

  20. @kissfan7 Yes, …
    @kissfan7 Yes, thanks, kid. I know the difference between a Contra, a Guatemalan, and a Salvadoran. I even know (*gasp*) the Contras were formed of the remains of the dictator Anastasio Somoza’s much loathed National Guard (created & trained by the United States Marines). I have a master’s degree in geography from UCLA, thank you. What’s your point?

  21. You have yet to …
    You have yet to anwer the main points. Why did the death squads target a US diplomat and the US-backed Christian Democrats? These two facts run counter to your entire theis, but you keep ignoring them.

  22. @bapyou
    Before you …
    @bapyou
    Before you use condecending name-calling, make sure you know the difference between Central Americans. The Contras were Nicaraguans, not Salvadorans or Guatemalans.

    First, minor point. Most human rights NGOs are regional, so not all “in existence at the time” were there. Second, the Truth Commission on El Salvador counted 2,600 claims of violence in 1980. In 1985, 140. Report of the UN Truth Commission on El Salvador. The Guatemala embargo went from 1978 to ‘83, the bloodiest years.

  23. @kissfan7 When it …
    @kissfan7 When it came time for policy renewal in Congress, both Carter and Reagan somehow found the rationalization that “The human rights situation is improving.” and Congress would pony up. But the human rights orgs never claimed any such thing. When Congress finally cut off aid during Reagan’s admin, he created the Iran-Contra connection.
    Give me a source for your claims.

  24. “Carter’s & …
    “Carter’s & Reagan’s aid wasn’t directed to the right wing death squads”
    Look, kid: Everyone on Earth knew about what was going on. Every human rights organization in existence at the time was operating in Central America as observers. The fact that US aid money wasn’t stamped “NO DEATH SQUAD USE” is a fatuous argument. The money was going to the right wing governments & they doled it out. cont …

  25. @bapyou
    Carter’s …
    @bapyou
    Carter’s and Reagan’s aid wasn’t directed to the right wing death squads. As I’ve pointed out three times now, an American diplomat was almost killed BECAUSE the United States threatened to stop aid unless the governments cut back on the death squads. Even in Guatemala most of the civilian deaths occured during an arms embargo on the government set up by the United States. Killings went down in El Salvador during the period of US aid.

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