3-15 Bishop Spong -VS- Dr. Martin – Topic : Sexual Ethics
A debate between the controversial Episcopal Bishop of Newark, N.J., Rev. Spong, and Dr. Martin concerning. “Should the church condemn or condone homosexual and premarital sex?” Dr. Walter Martin, Dr. John Spong, Roger Montgomery Debate these Topics and More on the John Ankerberg Show. http://ankerberg.com/
This was Dr. Walter Martin’s Last Debate before his Death. 1989 (June 24) Debate with Bishop Spong on “The John Ankerberg Show,” the weekend prior to his death. 1989 (June 26) Walter R. Martin died peacefully at his home in San Juan Capistrano, California. He was 60 years old. Link to his Site Below
http://www.waltermartin.com/index.html
Wikepedia on Walter Martin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Martin
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No it’s not. No where does God command Tamar to sleep with her father-in-law in order to bare a son. Judah; the patriarch of the tribe of Judah didn’t give his youngest son to Tamar to bear children, a tradition in those days after the death of his two eldest sons. Tamar taking matters into her own hands slept with and conceived by Judah, securing her child’s lineage/inheritance. God used both of their sins for His own purpose. He gave them free will they made their choice. Read it!
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I know this is a year too late, but I believe he did have time to explain he just couldn’t.
If you look at the …
If you look at the geneology of Matthew you will notice a name called Tamar. She had sex with her uncle to bare a son. That was considered an act of providence and of obeying God. Is it?
Jesus never …
Jesus never condones either homosexuality, or fornocation. Not once.
1:22 in this video. …
1:22 in this video.
The resurrection is spiritual. We as Christians are taught that we too will be raised on the third day, otherwise known as the last day. it was Jesus resurrection that convinced Christians they too would be resurrected. Read 1Corinthians 15:35-41 snd 15:50. Pretty clear.
A bishop cannot …
A bishop cannot explain the resurrection
everyone is …
everyone is illiterate but you? I think not, lol
Spong is surely NOT …
Spong is surely NOT a Christian. Dr. Martin hit the nail on the head…
Everybody is illiterate but you!
Say NO more Dr. Martin that statement says it all. We need a modern day Dr. Martin & a remix Kingdom of the Crazy Cults. LOL…God bless Dr. Martin!
Spong U Playa!
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Spong U Playa!
U da Mannnnn!!!!
Dr Martin is …
Dr Martin is awesome. I don’t know why Spong even bothers to call himself a Christian. He doesn’t believe in anything.
Spong is still a …
Spong is still a heretic, but yeah, from seeing a few different debates Ankerberg has overseen, he is a terrible moderator.
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and seeing how …
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and seeing how it conforms to the midrashic style of Jewish writing of the period (also in the Dead Sea Scrolls.)
Dr. Martin holds to the archaic traditional understanding of the Church by IGNORING this context. He as such continues the tradition of taking is use of Old Testament allusions as literal and not as it would be understood culturally as a literary form.
Most Christians DO NOT read the New Testament in Context (that of its culture). Teachers like Dr. Martin are to blame.
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Dr. Martin …
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Dr. Martin said,
“The scripture, in context, is to be taken literally except when… you have language differences, poetry, [or] different forms of speech.”
Only he forgot
DIFFERENT FORMS OF WRITING!
Reading the New Testament in THE CONTEXT of 1st century Judaism is essential to understanding its meaning. Bishop Spong’s interpretation is informed by reading it within this context…
I’m always amazed …
I’m always amazed though how often I hear Christians refuting the idea that the Gospels are not fabrications. It seems that this is often presented as a primary alternative to their view which they then feel affirmed in by knocking the later down. The thing is, who thats really studied the subject believes this? Its the least likely naturalistic explanation. Spong’s understanding of the NT writers interpreting their experience in 1st century Jewish images/language is the better alternative.
Yeah, quite the …
Yeah, quite the smoke screen: Trying to refute a point by referring to books! Hard to argue with that, isn’t it? Yes, because it doesn’t amount to making a counter point! There’s nothing to respond to. “It just says, someone else has done so and you need educated yourself. Moving on…” If the “moderator” thinks has the right to tell a scholarly priest which books he needs to read, he might try demonstrating these books say something the person he’s talking down to hasn’t already heard!
That moderator …
That moderator drives me bonkers. He constantly interrupts Bishop Spong and doesn’t let him talk. If he asks him a question, he should have the decency to let the Bishop answer it uninterrupted. GRRR.
The Fact! Paul …
The Fact! Paul said in Galatians 1:9 If any man preach any other Gospel then what we have preached, let him be accursed. Dr. Martain is reafirming Paul’s Gospel.
Jesus talked to us …
Jesus talked to us about false prophets and false doctrines and flase gospels coming into our lives. Read the word for yourselves and understand it before you listen to anybody say anything about God.
Bishop Spong …
Bishop Spong contradicts himself way too much. How did he ever become a bishop?
unbelievable …
unbelievable moderator…Spong argues a point , and the moderator recommends books….hmmmm
I can see the logic …
I can see the logic in that point. If it was an outright fabrication, it is more likely all the stories would agree. Instead there is a degree of variability that reflects the men’s natural recolections (unless the romans were smart enough to build that into it)but this does not lend support to the notion that is is “the word of god” but rather the word of men.
You are reflecting …
You are reflecting the backgound you are from. You have been trained to think a certain way that is similar to Martin. In these videos Spong realy isn’t given the time to explain himself.
Both you and I …
Both you and I might be a bit awkward in our wording here. Tell me, are you fully familiar with Dr Martins denominational background? Is it realy the same as yours? I’m curious.
Why is it sad? You …
Why is it sad? You assume a naturlastic perception of history. We believe a supernatural view of the historical process.
The confusion Spong …
The confusion Spong speaks of in the Gospels, is proof they didn’t fabricate it.
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