Christianity Debate
With the flourish, in recent years, of popular and widely accessible debates on this subject, the arguments coming from the theistic side have very quickly become predictable, stale, old, and even less convincing than they may have been the first time they were used.
—–Read the script of this video at http://www.nonstampcollector.com/christianitydebate
This debate has to change. Theists – when all of your arguments have been debunked, and you keep spouting them anyway, congratulations – you’re not convincing anyone except the credulous and weak minded. Are you proud of that?
I’ve often thought of opening up a second channel on youtube, on which I could engage in some debates with other users, but every time I ponder the idea I realise that 90% of the time I’d just be bringing people up to speed on what has already been answered a million times in the past. Screw that.
The way I see it, this debate ended a few decades ago. Everything that had been brought to the table then is what we’re still seeing being brought to the table now. What we “new” or “affirmative” atheists are doing is trying to knock some nails into the coffin so that this whole thing can be put to rest in what Sam Harris so eloquently calls “the vast graveyard of mythology”.
Theists – you simply must educate yourself before you go opening your mouth about all these tired old topics. Evolution. 20th century killers. The U.S. constitution. Atheism and atheists, and what it actually is that they DON’T believe. When you spout them- you get knocked down by the sheer force of facts. When you spout them and then get corrected and shown convincingly that your argument is in fact false, — and then spout them again – I’m lost for words. Where is the virtue in that? Where? How can you be proud of that? How can you support others whom you see doing that?
I just simply, truly, and sincerely don’t understand why christian theists aren’t red with embarrassment that in these debates, their side so constantly and obviously relies on misinformation, falsehood and ignorance. How many times does one need to be told that 2 + 2 = 4 before they will stop insisting that it = 7?
I. Just. Do. Not. Understand. This. Situation.
Why. WHY!?!?!?
Of course not all christians are like this. And not even all of the christians who engage in debate are like this. To those sensible christians, I have this to say:
Why not join us in criticizing intellectual dishonesty like this even when it comes from your side? People who knowingly proclaim falsehoods from the podium (or pulpit) are not doing your side any favors in regards to spreading your message or enhancing your side’s credibility (which is, you might have noticed, in crisis). People who do it are a liability to you.
One commenter suggested that I should have revealed at the end of the video that the moderator was in fact a christian, concerned with honesty and veracity. I wish I had included that. It would have made the video a hundred times better, but alas – ’tis too late.
‘Tis not too late for you, though. Please join us, for everyone’s sake, in insisting that debates like this come to be characterized by honesty and intellectual integrity. In what other field of human endeavor or discourse does willful ignorance take center stage so consistently?
And for fuck’s sake, right-wing lunatics – get over this paranoia about socialism. And perhaps educate yourself even slightly about what socialism is and means. If you do, you might find that it has not very much at all to do with Democrats and Barack Obama – - – certainly not as much to do with THEM as it has to do with Jesus Christ.
Right-wing paranoia over socialism is an insult to the memory of the people who died in actual socialist societies due to actual socialist policies.
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Positive vibes for the mighty Christopher Hitchens, who this week announced that he has esophageal cancer.
We need your esophagus, Mr. Hitchens, and the rest of you, so good luck with the chemotherapy (what can one say?) and get well soon.
Some people have already kindly pointed out that this is not my best movie to date. No shit, Sherlock. 
Clear skies, everyone.
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I agree with …
I agree with everything here except evolution determining morality. It’s called mental and subliminal programming and manipulation. It’s called family life, school life, and society. It’s called rules being enforced on us, and all of this happens AFTER we are born. If evolution and genetics alone determined moral behaviour, then children who have no bonding during the first three years of their lives wouldn’t be sociopaths.
@NonStampCollector …
@NonStampCollector
*outraged Christian mode on*
B-b-b-but why don’t you just leave us alone and let us believe whatever we want? Why do you hate God so much if you don’t believe in him? Wait, you MUST believe in him, you just want to continue sinning! You’re gonna burn! Burn! Muahahahahaha!
Can’t you just quit …
Can’t you just quit your day job and make videos instead? That was hilarious. Hail to thee.
@AtheistOnTheEdge.. …
@AtheistOnTheEdge…Are you really on the edge? or close to it? ;P
@Choo69 and to some …
@Choo69 and to some, it comes with subtitles..lol!!
This guy fails on …
This guy fails on so many levels.
@sunnz
Well I …
@sunnz
Well I think the problem is that we try to categorize them as Christians vs Atheists.
I think it would be clearer if we categorized them as People who believ in the real world vs People who believe 100% in books (not like normal religious folk who just believe in the God and his ideals)
@Asanctity Yes, …
@Asanctity Yes, very true in so many cases. Ooops, you’ve already thought of an example….and there’s another……
One of the most …
You sure hit the head of the nail on this one.
One of the most amazing videos I’ve seen in a while
@Asanctity Oh???… …
@Asanctity Oh???…You “KNOW” the true god……..uncomfortable silence……
@Asanctity
You are …
@Asanctity
You are breaking the rule covered in the time between 3:25 and 3:45. It also appears that you are lumping abiogenesis in with evolution which is merely analogous. I kind of wish you were right though. It would be nice if diseases didn’t become resistant to antibiotics and I didn’t have to get a flu shot every year.
What’s next? “No transitional fossils?”
@WOWJBEOWULF,
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@WOWJBEOWULF,
Clearly you have not read my post, but rather knit-picked random things and put your spin on them turning them into a straw man version of what I said. You assume I haven’t read the bible which is false, I have and reading it is what leads most to become agnostic or atheist.
Furthermore, the bible is inherently bad. It condones slavery and forces women to marry their rapists. Is that moral? Absolutely not! So it’s not the people who interpret it it’s the bible itself that’s bad.
@WOWJBEOWULF
“The …
@WOWJBEOWULF
“The problem with religion is the public holds it so hard …” You can’t group all religions together. That’s a fallacy. Unless they all have things in common, then they can be grouped by their common traits.
“For a religion to survive centuries…” should not be terribly surprising if execution is prescribed for apostasy, blasphemy and alternate belief.
@WOWJBEOWULF …
@WOWJBEOWULF Therein lies one big problem. It cannot be the word of god or there would be no room for interpretation. Unless of course god wants everyone to be confused.
@Asanctity You …
@Asanctity You DON’T KNOW that it is indeed God’s word.
7:45 lol
7:45 lol
@jxvwp
No I cannot …
@jxvwp
No I cannot tell you that I don’t look at religious arguments regularly.
But as far as this video goes they are saying that all religious people only go over debunked arguments but none of the other side never does anything like that. I find that a more extraordinary claim and if you can actually show that’s the case instead of just saying yes it is just believe that would be more convincing.
@hobo59
A blind …
@hobo59
A blind sheep following the herd.
@hobo59
Your lack …
@hobo59
Your lack of intelligence disturbs me. Time is not as much about the position of the earth’s position relative to the sun as the general arbitrary definition that people follow. If the atomic clock says that the time is 12am then it is 12am. But if everyone else’s clock is faster by 2secs, no one gives a fuck. In this sense there is no reality to time. In the sense of religion there is, your pathetic mindset that just because many people believe it therefore it is right is so pathetic.
group selection for …
group selection for morality? Bah! So unnecessary.
@mysticjbyrd Why …
@mysticjbyrd Why are you crying so much, all you did was prove to yourself that everything I have done is a natural event. I am science, and your problem is you cannot find a single moral statement in any of the equations. I served military engineering, and we invaded, it was science driven; did you find any moral statements in that, precision all the way down to the micro-second? You believe a text book makes us empty beings, we are far more than any textbook.
@ …
@joethemoproductions That might be the worst rebuttal I have ever seen….That is a theistic level of reasoning you are using….grats.
Pwnage. Nice one …
Pwnage. Nice one mate
@hugine001
- but …
@hugine001
- but that’s the thing, there are no scientific creationist theories as benchmark for a scientific theory is mountains of peer reviewed evidence (of which no creationist papers have passed).
in science a theory is a principle that explains a set of facts, whilst creationists might, have ‘theories’ colloquial sense (hypothesis) they are certainly not scientific theories like evolution. theories in science are the highest level of scientific proof.
but im just nit-picking -) lol
I would be …
I would be fascinated to see religious proof of any theory that counters the theories that science has put forth toward cosmology and evolution. And while you pose such a religious theory, please show how it can be verified through a repeatable experiment. Also, what sort of phenomena would this religious theory predict and explain, and how could we use the theory to understand and control ourselves, our environment, and our world?
Scientific theories, including evolution, already do this.