Eric Hovind Debate (Part 3)
Tuesday December 8, 2009 Eric Hovind, that’s the son Creation Science Evangelism Ministry founder Kent Hovind, came to my college to participate in an “Evolution vs Creation” debate. He has apparently been touring the country and doing debates like these at other schools including American River College (another college in my district.) For the most part, he is doing exactly what his father used to do prior to his 2005 incarceration.
He did not debate a Biology instructor, nor a Physics, Astronomy, or Geology instructor, but a graphical design instructor as well as a student who is a member of the Sacramento Freethinkers Club (of which I also am a member.) I have spoken to Physics/Astronomy and Geology instructors at my college about Creationism in the past and the most likely reason that none of them took part in the debate is because to them this is a dead issue. They have heard the same arguments again and again and participating in such a debate is neither worth their time nor is it constructive in any way. At worse, doing so may lead fence sitters to believe that there really is an argument to be made for the Creation side.
The debate was reasonably entertaining. It was mostly what you would expect. Mostly Hovind’s arguments involved rhetoric regarding human abilities to reason as well as trying to equate evolution to a religion. He did stay away from many of the stale pseudo science claims such as the lack of transitional forms, etc.
I tried to pan around to catch the hands going up at the beginning of the debate, but the audience was about 3/5 Creationist. Eric Hovind himself gave me permission to both record this debate and post it here on this channel. He is aware of Thunderf00t and of the Golden Crocoduck, although he does not follow either.
After the debate, Hovind stayed around and talked to a group of lingering spectators while a group of Creationists gathered around me and we both talked with our respective groups for over an hour before Hovind left and I went to my next class. I may host a BlogTV show to talk about it in the near future.
I apologies for the poor quality in filming. I did not have as good a setup as I did when I filmed the Darwin Day video. I was trying to balance this crappy mini tripod (meant for an old still shot camera) on the desk I was sitting at. I had a terrible vantage point (made worse by the debaters constantly sitting down) and someone unplugged my camcorder twice!
Here is the video on the DVD I was given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljWRvKkNw1g&feature=video_response
Duration : 0:10:54
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It’s a valuable …
It’s a valuable thing at the circus maybe. This is a debate.
Does Evolution …
Does Evolution THeory really claims what happens after death?
Humans being the ” …
Humans being the “highest power” is Objectivist Philosophy, not evolution. What a twat!
Yes they appear …
Yes they appear ludicrous but some of the richest ppl in the world are evangelists and preachers. Do u think this gives a about religion? He wants money, look at Ray Comforts religious production line?
Is it just me or …
Is it just me or can Eric’s argument be almost entirely if not entirely summed up with, “Argument from incorrect definition?” Athiesim is a religion not a lack of religion as athiests pretend, therefore my argument is more correct…
what a moron!!! ” …
what a moron!!! “They argue against the God of the Bible but they stand on the God of the Bible” talk about begging the question! its just painful to watch. You cant even argue with that kind of stupid.
2:00 ish, can be …
2:00 ish, can be summed up with
“THE STUPID IT BURNS, MAKE IT STOP, IT BURNS SO MUCH”
i think i had to …
i think i had to sew my lips together in order not to laugh about that complete lunatic.
“my senses are true …
“my senses are true because if they weren’t my ancestors would have been eaten by hungry lions or walked off cliffs.” THAT is my response to his stupid “how can we trust our senses” argument.
So I guess priests don’t molest children and Mary was 18 when she gave birth to Jesus instead of 12? I’ve no sympathy for people who use the child molestation argument.
wow I would like to …
wow I would like to read the biological research paper that the littlest hovind is citing that mentions the afterlife, or gods.
epic ! loved it
epic ! loved it
Extremely poor …
Extremely poor debate on all sides. Hovind opened up so many avenues for attack by any decent atheist debater but they were not taken advantage of due to poor preparation or knowledge. This kind of creationist BS needs to be taken seriously wthout all the stupid joking that wasted everyone’s time. He should have had an A-bomb dropped on his sad positions. Any creationist argument should never be able to stand against the science.
What a twat.
What a twat.
Man, I hate when …
Man, I hate when people start talking about definitions, and then they use a word inappropriately right afterwords.
Note: It is not an ad hominem attack if what has been said seemed to be insulting, but at the same time is true.
To call a rapist a rapist is not an ad hominem attack, ffs.
Mathmatics, Eric? …
Mathmatics, Eric? According to the Bible, Pi = 3
For one thing, Eric …
For one thing, Eric, nowhere in the Bible does God state that child molestation is wrong. Nowhere! It didn’t even make the top 10 commandments!
If something is …
If something is detrimental to society then it is immoral.
Our brains have evolved enough to identify what is and isn’t detrimental, hell, as Thunderf00t shown in one of his videos, even piranhas have.
I like how he says …
I like how he says there are universal moral principals… because if you ask the child molester he’ll tell you that it wasn’t wrong. If it was universal then it would apply to them too.
Morality is subjective because if it weren’t than we wouldn’t have crime. And over 14% of the US pop. being atheists you would think that we would commit more crimes due to our lack of morals. But 99.79% of the prison population in the US are religious. Only 0.21% are atheists. Who really has the better morals?
So I guess we also …
So I guess we also stand on the allah of islam, the krishna or hinduism or the buddha or buddhism?
Who is he standing on?
Problem with using …
Problem with using your dad’s amterial word-for-word? People can prepare and rip you down in debate, forcing you into bland preaching.
Same bull, different day.
Excellent satire though.
Eric Hovind is a …
Eric Hovind is a hack just like his father.
Wrong, sir! He adds …
Wrong, sir! He adds MUCH needed levity and humor. Maybe you don’t think he’s funny, but the audience seems to and that’s a valuable thing.
They took the bus. …
They took the bus.
A really short one.
The guy in the …
The guy in the pirate hat is a joke. Why is he even there?
He doesn’t stand to give his presentation. He says little apart from plugging his ministry. And so far I have yet to hear him say a single thing of any value. He adds absolutely nothing to this.
PART 4!!
for the …
PART 4!!
for the love of god the pastafarian was mid sentence