How To Debate? Follow John 8!
Watch in HD, fullscreen. Christ shows us how to argue. It’s not a black-white thing, Ambassadorship.
You represent His Majesty’s Government here on earth, and the earth is at war with Him. So you are not here to win a popularity contest. You are not here to ‘win’ people. You are here to declare His Majesty’s policy, and people have to KNOW they can TRUST what you say.
So you need to learn His Majesty’s BOOK, and rather well, lest you misrepresent Him! Proper ambassadorship is a harder job, than being a nuclear physicist; and it takes longer to learn. We know that, because even Christ didn’t start His Ministry, until He was 30 years old!
We are graded at the Bema on how well we REPRESENT Him, how well we thus LEARNED Him, not not not on our rituals or good deeds. God-deeds are gold silver precious stones — gems in your mouth and in your head which only God can make, Romans 12:1-3, 1Cor2-3, 1Cor13. So some of us, having proven bad representatives, will be very far away from Him in eternity. Because, we didn’t learn and live on THE BOOK, Hebrews 11:1-6, Hebrews 6, end Hebrews 10. Christ paid for sins with His THINKING, not with His Physical death, Isaiah 53:10’s ‘me amal naphesho’ (=from the labor of His Soul) plus 53:11’s ‘bedato yatsdiq’ (=by means of His Mastery of Truth Knowledge He Makes Righteous) clauses. So too, all ‘work’ is solely a product of thinking Bible under the Spirit, Philippians 2:7-10 plus the above verses. Nothing else counts, Romans 4, 1Cor3.
So you end up debating. Sometimes you must be nasty, sometimes nice; but always you must be honest. John 8 shows us how Christ does it. I try to use the same principles when I reply to comments (well or badly, I’m not always sure)!
An ambassador should never ‘affect’ a behavior, but should always key his words to the needs of the hearer, and ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS should be HONEST. That way the hearer knows he can trust you.
That’s why sometimes it’s very right to be nasty, especially since people who are hypocritical, are often nice. You want to make clear the points made, not ‘win’. God does the winning. Your job is to declare as best you know Bible, in the moment.
Disclosure, not selling, is what ambassadors are supposed to do. The minute you try to ‘win’, you will become dishonest and once thus discovered, it’s almost impossible to regain trust. That garbage about ’soul winning’ is pure satanic arrogance. The objective is to give the person enough INFORMATION so he can make an informed decision. Never more than that.
No Christian should EVER be a liar. Worst sin you can commit.
For the secular counterpart, read Sir Harold Nicolson’s ‘Diplomacy’. He was a Brit who wrote this classic for foreign ambassadors. Worth reading. It was part of my college course, 30+ years ago. (In college, I was training to become a foreign ambassador, but God had different ideas.)
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Nastyness *can* be …
Nastyness *can* be effective, and being effective is where I desire to be.
‘Course, facepalm can be effective too….and sometimes if the convo has persisted with no Real Fruit, after exhausting the options, facepalm serves as a modern day equivalent to “dusting the sand.”
I mean, I don’t write it down or nothin’….I just sort of slip away with a lovely, “so long.”
Anywho — liked this one, outy!
LOL, this reminds …
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LOL, this reminds me, i was told off by a brother here who eventually blocked me because I argued about a belief he was teaching. But I’ll have to admit, it did get me thinking and I eventually accepted what he taught – it made very good sense. I was upset at the time, but now, I think the whole thing was funny. (oh and btw, he eventually unblocked me
i was listening to …
i was listening to a pastor sorta talk about this subject- esp when jesus called them vipers… he made the comment that some people need to be shocked out of their worldview, pharisees where used to being respected and treated as superiors so to have iternate teachers like John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazereth calling them out on their bs in such a way was the most loving thing Jesus could do- like yelling at a drunk person beating their wife- these people where drunk with power abusing others