11/28/07 Republican Debate-Torture
Romney and McCain on waterboarding and interrogation techniques.
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Oh my gosh. Take a …
Oh my gosh. Take a deep breath. Calm down. Read what I wrote. I am not for the Patriot Act. I never said we should go to Iraq. All I’m saying is that the U.S. has no responsibility to tell it’s enemies what they are or are not willing to do. They know about the Geneva convention. That’s as far as it needs to go. And seriously, look up words before you use them. Priestcraft? Really? But, I’m not going to apologize for what America has done. WMD’s werent there, but Saddam Hussein was.
The Patriot Act …
The Patriot Act endangers the lives and well-being of everyone by the words EXCEPT TREASONOUS GOVERNMENT LEADERS. It has a crucial component of terrorism in it called, INJUSTICE!
If you’re a liar on the internet, then it is not scheduled to harm you.
If you can see WMDs …
If you can see WMDs that weren’t there, then you won’t be able ot see torture that is there. If you shed the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocents and can’t blush, naturally you’re going to have problems with the American Constitution. If you act as if terrorists were born yesterday after 2001 and act as if they’re so fierce they can’t even interrupt your golf games, then you’re in a conspiracy.
When did this …
When did this become an argument the United States has to change and attack defeated countries? She has to attack other countries to protect innocent lives and then take much more lives like the Communists and Nazis did? That she has to punish anyone anyway she pleases without anyone being able to prove she has made a mistake? Has she made any?
I’m not for your priestcraft. There are problems now that weren’t there before. One of them is destroying all but Osama Bin Laden.
When did this …
When did this become an argument about the Patriot Act? I never said I was for it. I’m saying that the U.S. should not have to declare exactly what we will and will not do. If we’re going to talk Geneva convention, lets not forget article 4.1.2 of the 3rd Geneva convention, which declares that the protection only applies to those who “conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war”, & “having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance.” Your argument is moot.
The Constitution is …
The Constitution is an open system of justice. That way even Presidents can, on paper suffer imprisonment or death for crimes. NOT SO with the Patriot Act. Its very wording says that gov’t leaders are all-powerful dictators if even more no-fly-zones materialize!
No you are wrong! …
No you are wrong! You don’t have to have social control and an ideal situation to be a fascist. You have to be a fascist at heart. That’s why the Patriot Act is communist and nazi security principle. All talk of punishing “detainees” and taking their rights hides the fact that on paper any American can be arbitrarily declared one and then given no ability to prove that the government makes errors. The Geneva Conventions lists what we can not do to detainees! The argument is moot!
Maybe you should …
Maybe you should look up the word Fascist before you try to stick it on Republicans, you’ll probably realize that “stringent social and economic control, and a strong, centralized government” are closer to the agenda of Democrats than Republicans.
But yeah, they are televising beheadings of our citizens, let’s get mad that Romney won’t say what exactly he considers torture. Note that he’s not saying something is NOT torture, he’s just saying it’s not the enemy’s place to know our policies.
Better yet, let the …
Better yet, let the Geneva Conventions make that list. Why be vague. Romney is a fascist and so is element13131.
Why be mean? Are you forgetting the blank definition in the Patriot Act for what is a terrorist? Are you forgetting no one accused of that can even defend himself and prove that Bush or the government makes mistakes which it did practically 100% of the time with Iraq at least?
McCain is hardly …
McCain is hardly liberal.
Mccain’s a liberal …
Mccain’s a liberal moron. ROMNEY 2012!
This is why McCain …
This is why McCain beat Romney. Republicans for torture.
Republicans now …
Republicans now seem to want to protect torturers. So do moderates.
mccain for …
mccain for candidate!!
the others are even worst
Your right. Let’s …
Your right. Let’s make a list of everything we will and will not do and hand that over to the enemy. He doesn’t support torture and you’d have to be at least partially retarded to think otherwise. All he is saying is that he will take the advice of other people who know more on this subject than him, and not define exactly what America is and is not willing to do.
I don’t think …
I don’t think Romney’s position is even coherent here. How can one oppose torture in any substantive way while refusing to define what torture is? I imagine lots of people have pointed out that torture carries a negative connotation, so the trick for any candidate supporting torture is to define away the scope of practices generally covered by the term. However, I wish someone would have said something like this in the debate.
I agree with McCain …
I agree with McCain!!! If we allow any law enforcement or military official to torture, then we have broken laws!! The whole idea of torturing someone not convicted is wrong!!!!!Every suspect or P.O.W. is “innocent until proven guilty.”
That’s tellin him, …
That’s tellin him, fillsbury. All the “bright” people are Republicans, as anyone who looks around can PLAINLY see! LMAO.
Enjoy losing the …
Enjoy losing the White House and most of your congressional seats, speakmymind, because 70% of the human race in the United States of America considers you, and those like you, to be sociopaths and monsters. Bet your Maker can hardly wait to meet you face-to-face and hear what you have to say.
oh! so you didn’t …
oh! so you didn’t vote for him because you want the U.S. to torture. nice! i wonder, is it painful when water goes up your nose in the shower or in the pool? think of that pain times a hundred. mccain was tortured for over five years as a POW. I would shut the up if I were you.
what’s wrong is …
what’s wrong is that AMERICANS DON’T TORTURE people. it’s clear that even Romney realizes that. and what’s wrong is that we randomly suspend the right of habeas corpus so that we don’t even KNOW if those are the people who have committed crimes against the U.S. and… you do realize that they are using these tactics to get information, and not for punishment?
Excuse me. I was …
Excuse me. I was always under the impression that Americans SHOULD NOT torture. Because Guantanamo Bay is obviously evidence that we do.
Furthermore, since …
Furthermore, since when did TORTURE become included as part of the Republican agenda? And not torturing people means that people are hippies and liberals? I was always under the impression that AMERICANS DO NOT TORTURE.
WOW, what the …
WOW, what the is wrong with you. I don’t normally personally insult people, but thank God that this disgusting man has dropped out of the race. Romney CLEARLY supports torture if he evaded a question about waterboarding, so you would be supporting torture if you voted for him. Research and statistics have shown that getting information with torture is NOT effective or accurate and that there are better methods. COMMON SENSE should tell you the same thing.