—–Read the script of this video at http://www.nonstampcollector.com/christianitydebate

This debate has to change. Theists – when all of your arguments have been debunked, and you keep spouting them anyway, congratulations – you’re not convincing anyone except the credulous and weak minded. Are you proud of that?

I’ve often thought of opening up a second channel on youtube, on which I could engage in some debates with other users, but every time I ponder the idea I realise that 90% of the time I’d just be bringing people up to speed on what has already been answered a million times in the past. Screw that.

The way I see it, this debate ended a few decades ago. Everything that had been brought to the table then is what we’re still seeing being brought to the table now. What we “new” or “affirmative” atheists are doing is trying to knock some nails into the coffin so that this whole thing can be put to rest in what Sam Harris so eloquently calls “the vast graveyard of mythology”.

Theists – you simply must educate yourself before you go opening your mouth about all these tired old topics. Evolution. 20th century killers. The U.S. constitution. Atheism and atheists, and what it actually is that they DON’T believe. When you spout them- you get knocked down by the sheer force of facts. When you spout them and then get corrected and shown convincingly that your argument is in fact false, — and then spout them again – I’m lost for words. Where is the virtue in that? Where? How can you be proud of that? How can you support others whom you see doing that?

I just simply, truly, and sincerely don’t understand why christian theists aren’t red with embarrassment that in these debates, their side so constantly and obviously relies on misinformation, falsehood and ignorance. How many times does one need to be told that 2 + 2 = 4 before they will stop insisting that it = 7?
I. Just. Do. Not. Understand. This. Situation.

Why. WHY!?!?!?

Of course not all christians are like this. And not even all of the christians who engage in debate are like this. To those sensible christians, I have this to say:
Why not join us in criticizing intellectual dishonesty like this even when it comes from your side? People who knowingly proclaim falsehoods from the podium (or pulpit) are not doing your side any favors in regards to spreading your message or enhancing your side’s credibility (which is, you might have noticed, in crisis). People who do it are a liability to you.
One commenter suggested that I should have revealed at the end of the video that the moderator was in fact a christian, concerned with honesty and veracity. I wish I had included that. It would have made the video a hundred times better, but alas – ’tis too late.

‘Tis not too late for you, though. Please join us, for everyone’s sake, in insisting that debates like this come to be characterized by honesty and intellectual integrity. In what other field of human endeavor or discourse does willful ignorance take center stage so consistently?

And for fuck’s sake, right-wing lunatics – get over this paranoia about socialism. And perhaps educate yourself even slightly about what socialism is and means. If you do, you might find that it has not very much at all to do with Democrats and Barack Obama – - – certainly not as much to do with THEM as it has to do with Jesus Christ.
Right-wing paranoia over socialism is an insult to the memory of the people who died in actual socialist societies due to actual socialist policies.

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Positive vibes for the mighty Christopher Hitchens, who this week announced that he has esophageal cancer.
We need your esophagus, Mr. Hitchens, and the rest of you, so good luck with the chemotherapy (what can one say?) and get well soon.

Some people have already kindly pointed out that this is not my best movie to date. No shit, Sherlock.

Clear skies, everyone.
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Excerpt from The Atheist Experience TV Show #652 of April 11, 2010, with Jeff Dee and Don Baker. (Topic: The Prosperity Gospel.)

This entire episode can be watched on Blip.tv and Ustream.tv:
► http://www.blip.tv/file/3475761/
► http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6121511

Jeff’s list of killings by God or on behalf of God (according to the Bible) can be found here:
► http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTKWIMYK_x0

WHAT IS THE ATHEIST EXPERIENCE?
The Atheist Experience is a weekly cable access television show in Austin, Texas, geared at a non-atheist audience. It is produced by the Atheist Community of Austin. The Atheist Community of Austin is organized as a nonprofit educational corporation to develop and support the atheist community, to provide opportunities for socializing and friendship, to promote secular viewpoints, to encourage positive atheist culture, to defend the first amendment principle of state-church separation, to oppose discrimination against atheists and to work with other organizations in pursuit of common goals.

VISIT THE ACA’S OFFICIAL WEB SITES:
► http://www.atheist-experience.com
► http://www.atheist.community.org

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tothesource.org sponsored the October 22 debate between cultural critics Dinesh D’Souza and Christopher Hitchens was held at the New York Society for Ethical Culture, in New York City. The debate addressed the question, “Is Christianity the problem?”

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The debate took place on 30 March 2010 in Maynooth University, and was organized by the Maynooth Christian Union and the Maynooth Literary and Debating Society.

Opening speeches
1/12 – John Murray opening speech
2/12 – Michael Nugent opening speech
3/12 – Student speeches for motion
4/12 – Student speeches against motion

Questions and answers
5/12 – Relative morality in the Bible
6/12 – Can we live without God?
7/12 – Interpreting morality in the Bible
8/12 – Human rights and true morality
9/12 – Can we be moral with God?
10/12 – Science, morality and animals

Closing speeches
11/12 – John Murray summary
12/12 – Michael Nugent summary

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References cited below.

Inspiration for this one came from listening to a debate between Christopher Hitchens and Frank Turek, co-author of “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist”
(Geisler, N and Turek, F. Crossway Books, Wheaton Illinois, 2004).
Turek’s first 20 minutes were very much like the first three of this video ie, the arguments from cosmology, teleology (the apparent designed nature of the universe), and morality. Some parts of it are direct quotations, other parts are paraphrased, and others I picked up from other theists’ videos/writings. To be fair to Turek, he acknowledged that these arguments did NOT lend credibility to the bible on their own, and invited Hitchens to a debate that would deal with the reliability of the bible. I ask, though if you’re going to admit that the cosmological argument doesn’t prove what you want to communicate, then why bother using it? Christians arent REALLY interested in making atheists into DEISTS, are they? (That’s certainly NOT what they’re called upon to do in the bible).

These cosmological-type arguments are just so broad and general, that it is a MASSIVE LEAP to go from them, to suddenly arguing for a deity whose name you know, whose values you know (on such things as dietary restrictions and opinions about how you should cut your hair, and, of course, opinions about foreskins), and who apparently has called you into a personal relationship with it. A leap SO MASSIVE, in fact, that no Christian would ever accept it from a Muslim, or vice versa, let alone from a Hindu or a devotee of ancient Egyptian gods.

So this video is not aimed at, or attempting to parody, Frank Turek, but is aimed at those in the youtube Christian community who seem to think that their faith is defended by recourse to the cosmological argument.
Folks, it is NOT.
It never WILL be.
See how ridiculous it seems to you when it comes from someone of another faith? In fact, I found a site that uses ALL of the cosmological arguments that are usually used in defending Christianity, being used to “prove” the accuracy and truth of the Quran.
Here it is, see if these arguments convert you to Islam:
http://www.creationofuniverse.com/index.html

The point of having the atheist remain silent throughout is an attempt to point out two things:
a) that the more theists use these arguments, the more they are simply doing their opponents’ work for them, and
b) that we as atheists (or more correctly as anti-theists, as I consider myself) can simply CONCEDE so many arguments and that are intended to stump us. CONCEDE the point, and show the christian that the argument does NOTHING to help them. NOTHING.
What rocks dream of : NOTHING!!!!

So what explains the incredible numbers and precision at the moments following the big bang?
I DON’T KNOW!
But hey, theist:::: neither do you.
And that’s OK.

Maybe it was The Goddess…? Maybe it was Great Spirit…? Maybe it was mass consciousness….?
Maybe we’ll never know….!
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Other sources of information for this video:

The Hitchens/Turek debate can be seen on youtube (in pieces) or at:
http://www.vimeo.com/1904911

http://www.indiayogi.com/content/indgods/brahma.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas
http://www.egyptianmyths.net/amon.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun

The quote about he ratio between the gravitational constant and the electromagnetec constant came from:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheismintro2.htm (accessed April 29 , 2009).
I dont know whether its scientifically accurate but being as the character is quoting a religious website for religious purposes, I dont mind if the information is inaccurate.

Hawking, S. A Brief History Of Time, Bantam Press, London: 1988, p. 121-125

Dawkins, R. 1996 The Blind Watchmaker, Norton & Co, NY p116

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Barker Debates Dinesh D’Souza, Christian and best-selling author, debates Dan Barker

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Barker Debates Dinesh D’Souza, Christian and best-selling author, debates Dan Barker

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